Comments on: Hawaii women’s volleyball: Dig Pink Friday, RPI at 9, No. 22 in poll, no weekly honors https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/ Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:02:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705272 Wed, 16 Oct 2019 03:02:07 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705272 No update on Monday because the team was off.
As of Tuesday, nothing has changed. The two still not cleared.

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705263 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:17:57 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705263 18. Good to see your post, Noble. I remember your statistical analyses from a couple of seasons ago. Coincidentally, I searched for poll and AVCA in that same document, lol.

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By: noblesol https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705259 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:05:20 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705259 17. As you discovered, the AVCA poll is not being used for NCAA-T selection. It is not specified as a selection criteria or an evaluative tool. If the RACs were called upon for their input re teams in their region (an unlikely event), it is highly likely that RAC would not destroy its credibility, or its members sabotage their own personal integrity, by using the AVCA poll in any capacity.

The list of issues with the AVCA poll are many, from some members submitting secret ballots, to some ballots being submitted by other than coaches, to some ballots containing obvious mistakes, to some ballots showing obvious bias, and perhaps the worst feature of the poll being that there is no stated standard for how coaches are to rank teams. Are they to rank by weekly performance? cumulative performance to date? multi-year history of superior performance? where they think teams will rank by end of the regular season? by how they think they’d perform in the tournament? The AVCA Poll is a fun thing for the fans and media to toss around. It supports marketing, and provides teams having a good season a way to help drive regular season press coverage and ticket sales, and that is all it is good for.

It’s clear in the NCAA Championship manual how much weight they give to the AVCA and its totally subjective and flawed poll. “AVCA” and “Poll” appear zero times in the DIV I Championship Manual. OTOH, RPI appears 24 times. RPI has its flaws, but it is the top selection tool because it is a completely objective algorithmic based criteria.

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By: WaveRipper https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705258 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 08:54:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705258 13. Haven’t looked at the Volleyball Manual since the last decade, and was surprised to see that it even has a new title.

The language in the current Manual is much more precise than the language used in the last decade. You are right. Polls such as the AVCA’s and rankings such as Pablo’s are not mentioned as evaluative tools.

However, the door is not entirely slammed shut on polls and non-NCAA RPI rankings. Should the Women’s Volleyball Committee fail to reach an agreement after using all of the stated evaluative tools, it can consider input from regional advisory committees. Yes, these regional advisory committees can be called upon as a “last resort” — as if their advice are irrelevant except when there’s a dire situation.

There is nothing written in the Manual about what “input” here includes and excludes, and thus does not prevent these regional advisory committees from introducing (for example) the AVCA Coaches Poll as a criteria for consideration. Facts will determine the arguments being made, but I can see a situation where one line of argument could be so-and-so bubble team won X times while the other bubble team won only Y times against a then-ranked AVCA top 25 team.

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Aside: I look forward to the day when the NCAA D1 Volleyball Committee seed 64 teams instead of just 16.

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By: Cruisecontrol https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705256 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:25:09 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705256 Sorry to bring it up again, but is there any word on the playing status of Jolie and Brooke?

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By: Kauaiboy https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705255 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 06:50:09 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705255 This setter from Kahuku has BEAUTIFUL hands; where is she headed to for college?

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By: sports for fun https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705252 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 03:30:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705252 I’m glad that Na Wahine stayed in the polls despite the split. I’m estatic that their RPI rose five spots!! Go ‘Bows!!

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705250 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:09:05 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705250 11. Feel free to disagree, but polls are not relevant. Per the pre-championship manual, polls are not mentioned as an evaluative tool:

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/volleyball/d1/women/2019-20D1WVB_PreChampManual.pdf

See section 2.2 and following

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By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705249 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 01:52:23 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705249 3. thanks for catching they missing number
1 & 4. just how the votes go.

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By: WaveRipper https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/rainbow-wahine-volleyball/hawaii-womens-volleyball-wahine-rpi-at-9/#comment-2705248 Tue, 15 Oct 2019 01:02:29 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=51533#comment-2705248 7. Disagree with the first half of your statement: polls such as the AVCA’s are not “irrelevant” but, as the NCAA (Selection) Committee states, they are just one of many tools being used to determine selection (especially, it seems, when considering “bubble teams”).

100% agree with your second statement: “RPI is by far the most important factor,” and in fact the RPI is the only tool actually put out by the NCAA so it stands to reason that an NCAA tool would be given far more weight by the NCAA than anything else — including private polling organizations such as the AVCA polls which the NCAA has no input concerning their methodology.

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