Comments on: BWC Title Match: SandBows win Hawaii 4, Long Beach State 1 https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/ Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:33:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683437 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:32:31 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683437 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45818
new thread up for Sunday

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By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683436 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:32:06 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683436 27. thanks. was typing quickly at the beach and didn’t notice the mistake. Streak was 25
There is no justification for the east to get an at-large. The strength has been in the west this season.
28. huge losses but they are very deep at returnees and incoming players
29. agree. 50-50. Hall hoping for 2 but more realistic about 3.

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By: noblesol https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683428 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 04:51:15 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683428 27. 50/50 on the #2 seed.

I think the BWCT helped Hawai’i more then the WCCT helped Pepperdine. But the pre-Champ doesn’t define tie-breaker criteria, and lots of ‘body of work’ criteria factors go unmentioned and undefined such as treatment of SigWins/Losses, or how they evaluate the CommonOpp criteria, or how they calculate SoS. It’s assumed that H2H, SoS, CommonOpp, then Record are evaluated in that order of priority, but the pre-Champ manual doesn’t say and goes out of its way not to say, leaving it up to the committee apparently.
– We know H2H is a push. They didn’t play each other.
– SoS probably goes to Pepperdine, as they appear to have played fewer weak teams and fewer teams that scheduled weakly. The exact algorithm the committee uses isn’t published.
– CommonOpp. There are different ways of evaluating, and the pre-Champ doesn’t define. Mid-season I had it a push.
– Record (Region and Overall) I think the edge goes to Hawai’i, but it depends on if/how they use and define SigWins/Losses. They have lots of gray area to work with and do as they like.

The recent men’s precedent ignored H2H, SoS, RPI and focused on multiple components of Record and added up all those multiple components as if they were each a primary criteria, then referred to ‘holistic’ and ‘body of work’ factors. If the Beach committee goes that route, then they’ll define things in their data that no one had access to or knowledge of before or during the season, in order to achieve a result they won’t be required to explain, have reviewed, or be held accountable for.

On the positive side, seeding is less of a factor this year, as there isn’t a dominate team, they are all pretty close. UCLA and Hawai’i/Pepperdine are 1, 2/3, and there will likely be nothing to argue about re the order of #2 and #3 between Hawai’i and Pepperdine.

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By: Warriorfan https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683426 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 04:24:13 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683426 Have to win it this year shucht and mags ,kan and weaver, are huge losses.

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By: FitTrainer https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683425 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:03:00 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683425 21. Wasn’t their streak 25 wins. A tall order at the #1 position in any case.
22. It will be interesting because you have to think for parity they would want to award an East team an at-large bid.

Does anyone know who makes up the committee and does it have equal representation of East and West representatives?

Would love to see this team win a National Championship.

Noblesol, what do you think Hawai’i’s chances are at getting a number 2 seed for the tournament over Pepperdine?

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By: rabbit ears https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683424 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 02:43:14 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683424 -25 our team has a good mix of seniors and underclassmen. They are gunning for a national championship this year.

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By: Kazu https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683423 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 02:19:50 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683423 Congratulations, great season for SandBows. Next stop Alabama. Play hard do your best.
Very young team,next season should be good.

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By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683422 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:51:52 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683422 23. Pairs tournament was never meant to mean anything. IT’s a fun thing for the players.
NCAA tourney Fri=Sun in Alabama

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By: Warriorfan https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683421 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:39:07 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683421 As expected congrats wahine,
Pairs tourney tomorrow will be pretty meaningless.
When does the ncaa tournament begin friday?

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By: noblesol https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/beach-volleyball/big-west-beach-49ers-at-sandbows/#comment-2683419 Sun, 29 Apr 2018 01:26:19 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=45812#comment-2683419 Will be interesting to see how the committee treats Cal Poly and LBSU for an at-large. I think Cal Poly’s chances look dicier, LBSU has made a stronger case, and overall, the odds of an East coast at-large may have been helped. May depend on who they give the East Region bids to, and which East region team is remaining under consideration for the at-large. FIU over both Cal Poly and LBSU? Given the Men’s committee precedent, any SWAG seems within the realm of possibility.

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