It’s BYU week
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s been a rough year for the Warriors.
But there could be a sweet parting if the Warriors can prevail against BYU this coming Saturday.
Yes, kids, ask your parents and grandparents what the UH-BYU rivalry meant.
The rivalry is spread throughout the athletic program. Here are memorable images: BYU’s Peter Kendrick winning both games of a doubleheader … UH’s Joe Frazier holding and holding the ball in an era before the shot clock … UH players imitating the Heisman pose on the night Ty Detmer was named the 1990 winner … Tes Whitlock’s ESPY-nominated game-winner … and, of course, David Hallums famously uttering that a victory over BYU “was better than statehood.”
This series hasn’t been much of a rivalry for a while. But, hey, it’s still BYU week.
Rough year is an understatement. More like horrible year. Okay, tme to look beyond, but not past BYU. Warriors have a chance if they can mentally prepare for the last game. I pick Warriors over the Cougars, 28-20.
BY-Who?
UH fans are the only ones that still think it’s some sort of rivalry. It died off.
BYU has a Kafentzis and Niumatalolo on its roster. Also Vili “The Warrior” son, Sam, is on the coaching staff.
At least 40 Polynesian on the BYU roster
BYU also does the Haka
Hawaii LDS residents with no ties to UH will show up to cheer for the Mothership
Since 1989 Hawaii is 4-10 vs BYU with wins 1989, 90, 92, 01
SINCE 2001 Hawaii is 0-4 vs BYU
As a coach Rolo is 1-2 vs BYU
2011 Hawaii OC – Lost
2013 Nevada OC – Lost
2014 Nevada OC – Won
2017 Hawaii HC – ??
Trust your eyes how teams are playing now. UH lost at UNLV. BYU beat UNLV in Vegas. UH beat UMass. UMass beat BYU last week. UH can’t beat UMass now. BYU starting QB out for the season. So what? BYU knows they can beat Hawaii. Hawaii not sure they can beat BYU. History. Line has BYU -3. Easy. BYU 27, Hawaii 10. Continue recruiting.
Prior to the year when spring training started, A questions was asked. How do you think the Warriors will do this year in the fall season? My pick was 8-4 record. Opposite. If Hawai’i wins.
As an oldtime fan (since the “termite palace across from Wigwam, next to Bucks Bakery), the most memorable win over BYU, was led by Garrett Gabriel to me. After years of loses, some frustratingly close, that one was so satisfying.
On another note, Charles Manson was not heard of by myself. Cult leader. BEFORE my time.
Ridiculous!
Agree, that there will be more local LDS members in the stands at Aloha Stadium out to support the “Mother Ship.”
Interesting game summary:
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2017/11/19/16677698/brigham-young-cougars-vs-hawaii-rainbow-warriors-preview
Coach Rolovich will need to evaluate all aspects of the program after this week’s game: Coaches, player personnel, schemes, organization, strength & conditioning program, team nutrition, travel plans, etc. Need to find out which players are on board with the program and who has checked out (give their releases). Open up all positions in the spring. Confident that Coach will “right the ship.”
Tumultuous 2nd year under Rolo, but I remember the disarray after June Jones’ 2nd year (3-9, including a loss to Portland State), compounded by his near death when his car ran into a concrete pillar in the Spring of 2002.
Sorry, Jones’ car accident occurred in the Spring of 2001.
UH BYU
10 42 What?
10 27 Derek
28 20 H-Man
77 14 Ipu Man
depressing year for UH football even tho the other sports programs are doing well — especially men and women volleyball and men’s basketball
12/20/2017 will tell the tale for 2018 and beyond
will be there for BYU!
I’ve been watching and not saying much because of medical problems, so here are my observations:
UH The School Admin has not FULLY committed to making football a PRIORITY!!!
YOU MUST BE WILLING TO FINANCE THE EXPECTATION!!!
The Players put in the SWEAT and the Adults put in the DOLLARS, plain and simple as that!
I had a great conversation with an insider who was there during the”June Jones Era” he said after the Sugar Bowl vs Georgia Coach Jones wanted to plow the Money from the game back into the football program ie. Better facilities, making the football operations more attractive to get better players for the future. But the school and the state had other ideas for that money so now YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW! Want great football? Be willing to finance the expectation!!! Add $1 to the hotel room tax PUT THOSE BEACHES TO WORK!!!!
Bobby says Sitake is gone after this game . True ?
He had a good year last season, 9-4 and a Bowl win.
13. Add a tax, but we have a tax for the rail already. Taxpayers have to fund more affordable housing and services for the people. We have to have more donors, corporate sponsorships, ticket sales, etc.
But those often come after winning seasons.
Comment from an impartial observer after UH’s Sugar Bowl loss:
“Boy, then Hawaiian Boys sure can dance with pride and emotion. I was impressed. Too bad it didn’t transfer onto the field against Georgia.”
Cooke Field had black turf in the Lower Campus back then. How quaint. Did the Sugar Bowl money ($4 million) go to putting in new turf there?
Think that the need for improved facilities, salaries, resources for UH Football has fallen on deaf eyes in this State (Politicians, UH BOR members, UH Administrators, the local public). Heard the radio crew praise the $30 million in facility improvements at USU from the last time UH played there in 2013. Football means something to the folks at other MWC schools. Local people don’t see the relationship between putting money into the facilities and resources and success (“Look at Kahuku. They no more nice facilities, but they still win!!). Gotta feel bad (at least I do) for the UH coaches and players.
And I still get calls at dinner time from UH asking me to give more money
Of course, the State of Hawaii has other priorities such as allocating some $20 million to the Mental Hospital over the last 10 years (including $1.7 mil for security last year).
Randall Saito: Coming to a Half-Way House in your neighborhood!
YOU MUST BE WILLING TO FINANCE THE EXPECTATION!!!
Colorado State
Boise State
Utah State
San Diego state
Are WILLING TO FINANCE THE EXPECTATION!!! Oh they ALL BEAT US TOO!
Don’t be confused if you want MEDIOCRITY Keep doing what your doing!!!
2011
– 10 year anniversary of the Hawaii Romp led by Rolo and Company
– Hawaii has not beaten BYU since then going 0-3
– Last game of the season
– 2:30pm game on ESPN2
– BYU 41 – Hawaii 20
– Subsequently Rolo’s last game as Hawaii’s OC
– Next day Coach Mack is fired
2017
– 25 year anniversary of the Hawaii’s First WAC championship team led by players who beat BYU 3 out of 4 years
– Hawaii hasn’t beaten BYU until 2001, going 0-6
– Last game of the season
– 4 pm game on CBS Sports
– Hawaii ?? – BYU ??
– Most likely last game for Hawaii’s OC and other
– Rolo will not be fired but Sitake might
Suggestion for BYU game this weekend:
1) Start McDonald at QB (need a shake up/nothing to lose, everything to gain).
2) More inside routes (slants/drags/digs) & rubs (when man/blitz cover). (The 4-6 yd out patterns when you’re 3rd & long is nuts.)
3) Get out of the 3 front on D. Gap control is horrendous. Pass rush is non-existent.
I still don’t understand the no time out call at the end of the first half. Time out’s are like gold coins!
I too would like to see McDonald start, but he won’t. Rolo is firm that Dru gives the Warriors best chance to win. But I like McDonald because of his running. With the O-line all “buss-up,” I feel we need a mobile/running QB for this game. But if BYU strikes early and Warriors have to play catch-up, then Dru is the man.
“Brother, can you spare a dime?”
How about a measly ten cent tax per tourist.
Point-Ten times a million equals a hundred thousand dollars, no?
And I heard that a million tourists visit Honolulu daily.
Pua Keni Keni… could be the theme to win over the governor.
The best chance to win seem’s to always lose.
#13:
interesting comment you make on June Jones wanting to put the $4 million into infrastructure updates — heard this also — because one UH coach stated after the game that Jones mentioned leaving for SMU and taking all those who wanted to move in the “coaches meeting” before the game and same coach said somehow this information leaked to the players BEFORE the game — sitting in the stands, we could not figure out why the UH players came unto the field so “down”
but, I agree that upgrading certain facilities would have been $$$ well spent!
UH BYU
21 56 KOH I NOR
Dru. Brown is gone. Hopefully it turns out 4-8 record.
Great Afternoon All!
…BYWho Weak…At Las’
Ipu Man,
56 – 14 Akamai Okole
Only if a player is injured before half time. They cannot use a timeout to stall the game, if the offense is about to score. Faking an injury is not allowed. Under 10 seconds to half time.
Army…Navy…Ohio State…MeesheeGan…
All uh dem can go 0-fer but just beat da oddah one and all is good.
Beat Y Who!!!
Old School Dave — your #16:
phone calls during dinner — we stopped donating to UH for 3 years after someone called asking for $$$
a friend who donates big $$$ to UH sports stopped donating cause she told UH not to call her — she told them that she will make a donation to whom and when she felt it was appropriate — she had 4 or 5 favorite sports and her total donations were into the 5 figures — she wanted no publicity — these are hard to find, but they are out there — just need to find the right avenue to reach that person(s)
i suppose this is crazy, but has UH developed a criteria on what impresses a recruit the most?
besides getting a free t rip to Hawaii, why are you interested in attending/playing for UH? an unsigned questionnaire may be useful to develop the list. is the amount of the additional “stipend” a significant factor? facilities? life style?
a list which can be used to “approach” upper campus for funds to upgrade facilities if this a high priority for recruits
One more game and it’s next season again. Hopefully I’ll be there next season again. Aloha Stadium. Right? Or something like them.
McDonald never paid his money fee. Just the game. Unsure if they’ll let him play or he’ll go in to the game.
BYU was independent or is independent. Not sure about them too.
Rivalry: maybe. But as of late, all BYU. 1989, 1990 was a freak year. Garrett Gabriel had a good receiver. Derrick Branch. They were all WAC. No all MWC on this team.
If you work at Targets, ask your employer to sponsor all the d. Pepsi and pepsi bottles, sold at the games at Aloha Stadium. You do it.
One of the items anyway.
I had heard that Tuilea was on the travel squad last week and dressed for the Utah State game. Kinda odd that the 4th string QB traveled? Get him in the game this weekend. Plus his sister plays volleyball fir BYU so that would add a nice touch to the rivalry.
BY-Who? BY-him. Better players.
[b]Beat BYU [/b]
McKenzie Milton is playing the same way he did at Mililani and now at Central Florida. Lots of explosive and chunk plays. Boom, boom,boom,boom touchdown. It doesn’t take long to be in the end zone. I’m not surprised at all UCF is leading the nation in scoring. Their gain, our loss. It is a delight watching him play and we can see him this week against South Forida, another good team. Should be fun. By comparison, watching UH is so boring and even can’t compare to the excitement of the 3 high school championship games. Where have U goneColt Brennan! I’m waiting for Chevan Cordeiro already, and maybe Jeremy Moussa can be that type of dual QB too. Somebody who can lead our team to the promised land. Anybody. We are still chasing championships!!!!!!
A-House: I know where you’re coming from. I’m only a Manini fan who gives $$ when I can in order to help out the program, but this last time they called (at dinner time), I told them TO NOT call me anymore and that I would donate what I could, when the time was right. Really left a bad taste in my mouth when previously I was just trying to “help out” a little.
UH needs to be get out into the community and focus on developing relationships with potential corporate sponsors and wealthy private citizens (nevah mind manini guys like me). I think that there is a real disconnect in how UH Athletics attempts to increase donors. Best of luck hoping for help from the State (like drilling for oil on Kahoolawe). Look at Lahainaluna HS and their new stadium and field that came from a generous donation from the late Sue Cooley. Ms. Cooley, who was a part-time resident, was moved by what she saw in the team and wanted to help the program and community. Their stadium is now appropriately named after her.
http://www.lahainalunahighschoolfoundation.org/content/58af5b8dd47bb/Sue_D._Cooley.html
Same hear. Hard to give to UH. They will call and bug you. Like some I give when I feel like it. The bike, softball team and women’s basketball team when they wanted nice new unis. They don’t call anymore but I still get letters. Coach Beeman sent a nice handwritten letter of thanks which I thought was really nice of her.
Here. Would like to see a win over BYU but sometimes no can.
UH is 11th on scoring in MW games, at only 18.9 points per game and 8th scoring defense, 33.5 pts allowed per game.
Wyoming is 9th in scoring 23.3 but 2nd in scoring defense, 15.9 pts.
Our offense need a major overhaul, with either the players including the QB or the scheme or both. Not even 3 TD’s per MW game average.
MW stats :
http://themw.com/stats.aspx?path=fball&year=2017&conf=true
What happen to our highly touted d-line from the past? That was our stronghold during the hay days and seems like it hasn’t been around for years and years. We really need to recruit a stout defensive line over anything else.
Didn’t mean to be mean just saying we need a solid 2 deep defensive line to run a constant 4-3 defense.
A short bit on the Rainbow Warrior football program. Football began as a club sport in 1909 as the “Fighting Deans,” two years after the College of Hawai‘i was founded. The College of Hawai‘i became the University of Hawai‘i in 1920. The University of Hawai‘i
became a member of the National Collegiate Athletic Association
(NCAA) in 1946.
That’s 108 years of football.
I would like to see the program continue for another 108 years, but it’s going to take a commitment from the governor, legislature and the community to see that it does.
My generation saw the rise of Rainbow football beginning around 1966. The Rainbows. Some today don’t like the name. That’s okay when you think the program started as the “Fighting Deans.” So it’s the Warriors.
Great wins; heartbreaking losses. But it was exciting starting with Dave Holmes and continued by Dick Tomey, Bob Wagner and June Jones.
I am counting on Nick Rolovich to carry on the tradition.
Go Warriors !!!
Beat BYU !!!
Last year our defense was pretty porous too, but the difference is that UH was able to beat the teams we were supposed to beat (San Jose, Nevada, Fresno St., and one super effort at Air Force). We lost soundly by Boise State at home and on the road at San Diego State, and lost at home to UNLV which was heartbreak city. We also lost to New Mexico at home. Further, the UH offense was able to consistently score points because of key players like Marcus Kemp and Steven Lakalaka. The other thing is Rigo Sanchez was so consistent that he probably was a major contributor to winning at least 3 games by himself with his kicking and punting. If BYU wins this Saturday they will be 3-9 and UH will also be 3-9. That would be so appropo. Two teams who have seen better days. BYU is longing for Bronco Mendenhall and Hawaii is longing for June Jones.
what was the scuffle all about or no comment from coaches?
the version of events I heard is like what A-House said: JJ accepted the SMU job before the Sugar Bowl, so not sure how he had plans for how to spend the money after the game if he wasn’t going to be around to see it through. If anything, he had so much leverage after it leaked that he was leaving that he could have made all kinds of demands (including firing Herman Frazier) but he didn’t do that because it isn’t “his style”. History has treated him kindly in this regard…
As for donating… This year, instead of donating I just bought an extra season ticket for football and an extra season ticket for basketball.
#30 Rolo commented this past February he was surprised the biggest concern from the families of local recruits is their perception that UH is a second rate university academically. An unprepared Rolovich found out too late you will not win them over talking facilities or pride rock. Talking up a academics at UH is a year around endeavor which must come from the UH President, AD and Head Coach. U.S News and World Report has UH ranked in the top 5% of four year institutions in the country. Talking up academics at UH should be easy.
46. BYU is already 3-9. Yes, UH is currently 3-8.
Last season we averaged 28.3 pts per game overall and allowed 37.3 pts per game.
This season we average 23 pts and are allowing 34.3.
Last season we scored 34 or more points in 7 games.
This season we scored 34 (38) or more points 3 times, so far.
So people want to fire Rolo because of this years losing record. That’ll come out to a payout of $800,000 for the remainder of his contract. If there’s money remaining, the next coach would be offered around $200,000 and the assistants 50,000. The thought of a Football display in the SSC in memory of UH Football is becoming more of a reality, it seems.
Refresher: https://youtu.be/pNqvXMMjTg4
I think about this coach who delivers season tickets in person, sometimes bringing cheerleaders. A coach who goes to Costco to meet and greet, and whose players end up helping to load groceries in customer’s vehicles. A coach who had extremely innovative ways to award scholarships to walk-ons. In short, someone who thinks outside of the proverbial box to publicize his team. This coach is a keeper, he and his staff just need to recruit, recruit, recruit.
Wow Nothing is wrong with your Head Coach!
You do however Need better assistants that can develop 0-2 star kids into 3-4 star kids, and they won’t come cheap!
So Again YOU MUST BE WILLING TO FINANCE THE EXPECTATION!!!
Ferrari’s COST MONEY!!! Just ask ALABAMA!!!
Until the state and Admin are willing to make the commitment, your gonna get what you got!!! Budda!
55.
I like what the late Jerry Tarkanian said about highly-touted junior college transfers.
I can’t remember it verbatim, but it was something like this: “JC guys. They already have cars.”
You don’t need to spend a lot of money to run the triple-option.
Well said, Coach DB!! Watched the USU game and it was simple to see that the Aggies were bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic than UH. Plain and simple. You could run any fancy, swanky offensive scheme and the result would have been the same on Saturday. UH just doesn’t have the talent level at this time. Gotta get out and recruit! Like the old coach said:
“Physical Superiority Cancels All Theory”
Goliath was pretty “superior”.
David (Chad Owens) had no fear.
And triumphed.
local players/parents who believe UH is a “second rate academically”
personally, I would take that as a grain of salt because it’s not what the school offers as much as what you, as the student, puts into your academic effort and WHAT YOU DO AFTER YOU GRADUATE!
that’s what makes the difference!!!
State Government doesn’t have a commitment to education, both to DOE and UH. Definitely no commitment to athletics.
ESPN 1420’s The Bobby Curren show going on right now this morning mentioned that BYU’s most previous bad season as this one was in 1949: [ https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865691750/BYUs-49-season-was-a-failure-you-cant-forget-so-remember-Cougar-fans–it-could-be-worse.html ]
Going back to the Utah St game; did our team take the red-eye to Utah? Did I read that they landed in Utah at 7:30am on a Thursday; had a few hours of sleep; and then had a practice? What time did they leave Hawaii on Wed; and what were their flight connections; or did they have a non-stop charter flight?
I strongly believe that over-night flights SHOULD NEVER be taken; as it wrecks havoc on the body and mind!
I think Rolo can be a good head coach, but good head coaches have good staffs— a good defensive coordinator and a good offensive coordinator are essential. But to make sure that the players do what the HC and coordinators envision, you need good position coaches who understand the offense and defense and how their positions fit— QB, RB’s, TE, SB, WR, OL, DE, DT, LB, S, DB—and— this is important—coaches get better at these things with experience and by working with experienced coaches. Rolo’s fate was cast when he did not have a budget to hire the experience he needed— this was compounded when he lost an OC with some experience immediately and an experienced DC after one season— but he was stuck when they left. I believe rebuilding the staff is critical— as much as we can.
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